Austin Cline writes a two-part piece on theists' dismissals of atheism here and here. This part of a comment from "David" that Cline analyzes
Many without having read the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, or Christian mysticism, assume to know what Christianity is.
reminds me of an old Richard Dawkins line:
We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
(Fortune, 4 October 1999)
To extrapolate David's reasoning, wouldn't he require himself to be well-versed in the various Sutras of Buddhism, in the Vedas of Hinduism, the Qur'an and Hadith of Islam, the Avesta of Zoroastrianism--not to mention the Tao te Ching, Analects, and Dianetics--in order to dismiss all the religions in which he disbelieves?
Part of Cline's response to David has a strong resonance for me, as it illustrates another of my pet peeves:
Assuming that atheism is "a compound of arrogance and fear" is not a "rational" dismissal of atheism. Why? Because it dismisses atheism based upon presumed psychological attitudes of atheists. It totally neglects any actual arguments made by people against theism or in defense of atheism.
I've received my share of "you're arrogant/angry/smug/sarcastic" accusations, along with other conjectures about my mental and emotional state, but I'm still waiting for a factual rebuttal about...well...pretty much everything. I get some "you're wrong" comments, but when I play the Missouri card and say, "show me," all I hear is...crickets.
If you believe homosexuality is unnatural, then prove it.
If you believe atheists are immoral, or religion is necessary (or even useful), then prove it.
If you believe Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim socialist, or we're a "Christian nation" slouching toward secular fascism, or liberals are establishing re-education camps, then--you guessed it--I'll want to see some proof.
I'm tired of listening to condescending pronouncements that aren't supported by facts, and I no longer have either time or patience for the right-wing rumor mill and its plague of fallacious emails. Show me the data (and source it) or I'll emulate Christopher Hitchens ("what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence," Slate, 20 October 2003) and apply a topical solution of mockery until the rhetorical rash dissipates. Greta Christina expresses a similar frustration here:
I am sick unto death of non-believers being treated like sad lost sheep or wounded birds. I am sick unto death of my atheism being treated like an illness to be cured. I am sick unto death of my atheism being treated like a tragedy. [...] My atheism is not a source of weakness or sadness. In fact, it is a source of great strength and joy. I was able to leave religious belief when I became strong enough to stop hanging onto ideas simply because I found them comforting, even though they weren't supported by any good evidence. I was able to leave religious belief when I was able to say that the joy of this life is enough, and that I don't need to believe in an eternal after-life to find more than enough meaning and happiness in this ephemeral one.
Along a similar line, Daylight Atheism responds to Madeleine Bunting's complaint about "the New Atheists' foghorn voices:"
An atheist who is proud to be so, and who speaks their mind honestly and frankly, will always be judged as disrespectful by theists whose only goal is to silence us.
DA also rebuts Bunting's claim that "By junking the Christian myths, the danger is that the replacements are 'cruder, less tested, less instructive':"
It's true that any replacement for religion will be "less tested". But that statement implies that religion has been tested and has passed. Much the contrary, we atheists believe that religion has been tested and has failed. The reality is that we atheists are not thoughtless iconoclasts, tearing down the altars of religion without thought for the consequences. We've made the decision to attack religions precisely because we've concluded that the hate, intolerance and division they cause is too high a price to pay for whatever comfort they offer. We believe that we can find sources of meaning and goodness that work just as well, without all the baggage that religion brings.
It's not as if we atheists are cast adrift when we discard religious dogma. We do have a few things to help us understand ourselves and our place in the universe: anthropology, archaeology, astronomy, the arts, biology, chemistry, cosmology, ecology, economics, engineering, ethics, geology, history, literature, mathematics, philosophy, physics, poetry, politics, psychology, and sociology. Compared to those, the chapter-and-verse mindset comes up rather short.
On the suggestion that the "classic Christian view" is "more realistic" than the secular one, Matt Taibbi writes that if one teaches "any normal kid the Bible and what he's going to get from it is not a 'realistic' view of the world but a disturbing series of questions to ponder:"
Like for instance, what does it mean when my own parents tell me, with a straight face, a story about God asking Abraham to sacrifice his only son? You're a little kid, listening at bedtime in your pee-jays to the story, expecting that Abraham is going to tell God to go fuck himself because he loves his children so much, and be rewarded for doing so. Instead it's exactly the opposite, the father in the story is rewarded for being willing to carve his innocent son up with a knife, the moral of the story somehow being not that God is an insane murderous psychopath, but that God is just and wise and should be obeyed. When the story is over, Dad tucks you in to bed and says he'll see you in the morning. Now that's realism for you.
I'll take reality over that sort of "realism" any day.